Comments on: Down syndrome: The New Zealand eugenics programme https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/ Advocating for people with Down syndrome Wed, 02 Sep 2015 12:31:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.4 By: Saving Downs rejects Otago University’s discriminatory paper - ProLife NZ https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-303 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 14:51:53 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-303 […] about eugenics in detail. I have discussed before why screening for Down syndrome is eugenic here and here.Whether it is voluntary or not is irrelevant. Selecting the type of child to be born based […]

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By: Michael https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-51 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:51:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-51 I’d also like to make it clear that when I said “‘eugenics’ isn’t such a horrible thing” I was basing that opinion on the information in this article, however upon further reading it really does seem rather nasty, especially its links to the Nazis. Very sad :(

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By: Michael https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-50 Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:46:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-50 You both make strong cases, however I still think the parents should be able to choose. Thankyou for a thought-provoking discussion, best of luck with your campaign.

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By: Mike https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-49 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:03:17 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-49 Thank you Roni for your kind and gracious words. We all stand together. Please Sign up for future blogs at the top right of the page and follow us on Facebook.

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By: Roni https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-48 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:32:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-48 Mike, I am near speechless. Let me elaborate on your …amazing informative article. It drove a knife into my heart to just imagine the trauma those blessed little children must endure. Let them live!!!! Mike help them to live, they are well worth the efforts we must all make to save their lives. Please keep us imformed, and if I personally can be of assistance, you may notify me at [email protected]. I want to help save the lives of all unborn babies, even those who are considerd “defective” by a gross unlearned society. Thank you Mike for your work and interest.

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By: valueall https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-45 Fri, 07 Sep 2012 10:21:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-45 Michael you can’t screen and abort babies on the basis of gender, race, etc etc so nor can you screen and abort a disabled baby-its discrimination. Babies with DS are adopted very easily (there are waiting lists) but society views it more acceptable to abort the baby rather than adopt the baby out. Babies with DS face very poor odds. Personally I think shame on any society (so called civilised societies at that) for targetting and decimating an innocent and vulnerable group of human beings. And I can tell you that my 19 year old son was horrified to learn that the doctors and midwives pressured me to abort his now 17 year old younger brother with DS. He also said there is no way he would ever abort a baby with DS. He knows the truth about DS but that truth is not accepted by our communities. AS for the eugenicists-there are evil, sociopathic people in the world who have no concept of conscience (and I’m not saying all eugenicists are sociopathic-I’d say a large percentage are though)-that’s the reality. I think there should be pre-natal screening for sociopaths (and this will be availbel some day) so that we can monitor their behaviour and ensure they do not threaten humanity and do not cause pain.

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By: Mike Sullivan https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-42 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 09:17:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-42 Good questions Michael.

Parenting any child covers a whole range of experiences, irrespective of genetic differance. Issues of whether one is cut out to be a parent or have any parental experience are questions of whether one wants to be a parent, not whether they want to be a parent but only to a particular type of child. Like the survey said, the vast majority of parents of children with Down syndrome say that the experience enriches their own life.

Would I choose to have Down syndrome? There is no choice involved. You either have it from conception, or you don’t. That’s the same for any human being, you are who you are.

As to the eugenicists, I don’t rile them, but I hold them accountable for their actions. I don’t advocate preventing their birth for being eugenicists. They are no less human than my daughter with the extra love chromosome, yet they have no problem with targeting others like her for birth prevention.

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By: Michael https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-41 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:23:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-41 It’s good that you’re such a loving and understanding parent for your child, and I can imagine how being the parent of a child with down-syndrome could also be enriching and self-satisfying experience. I admire that. And without meaning to be offensive I’d just like to ask; what about the parents who either aren’t cut out for such a role or would rather not go through that experience? If you propose to legislate the illegality of aborting disabled fetus’ I suspect the number of unhappy parents with disabled children may increase. Also, would you choose to have down-syndrome yourself, or another intellectual disability?

And keep in mind that the ‘eugenicists’ you rile so viciously against are no less human than yourself – this is a contentious issue.

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By: Mike Sullivan https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-40 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:10:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-40 1.
In a recent Children’s Hospital Boston survey 99%
of parents of children with Down syndrome reported that they loved their child,
97% were proud of their child, and 79% attributed a more positive outlook on
life to their child. My daughter is neither diffucult or painful to raise.

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By: Guest https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/down-syndrome-the-new-zealand-eugenics-programme/#comment-39 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:09:00 +0000 https://www.savingdownsyndrome.org/?p=3333#comment-39 My daughter is neither diffucult or painful to raise.

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In a recent Children’s Hospital Boston survey 99%
of parents of children with Down syndrome reported that they loved their child,
97% were proud of their child, and 79% attributed a more positive outlook on
life to their child.

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